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it. That's something I would like to see exist. Um, I'd like to maybe do that at some point, but it's not something that's high on my list, but it'd be cool to have something like that. There you go, guys. What's the Where do you usually write your first draft…

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for loose groups. Yeah, sure. Um, hopefully that'll be later this year, but it could be next year. We'll see. Do you feel like SAS in general is is is over saturated? Like, does the world need more SAS products or should people start going back into physical things and actually open shops and I…

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versions of what exists and I'm all for building those, but I don't think there's a big hole at the moment that I can see at least for like a whole new category of business software. Um, but that's not SAS. SAS can be anything. Um, so I I think that what's…

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Do you Is there something that you feel like is really really missing? I don't I mean, no. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I I do. What I do think about sometimes is I don't know. Maybe this is me having some sort of ego, but I would like to make…

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sometimes. Yeah. Um f first off I would actually let me let me let me answer the question again too and then I'll get to that point. I actually think the real opportunity frankly is in making much much simpler things um in technology things have gotten way too complicated. The amount of tools that exist…

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Okay. So your physical thing frankly um I think the one of the best places to be these days would be the trades like uh plumbing, electrician, um general contractor, builder, uh mason. These are these are these are things that seem to me to be the safest jobs moving forward. Going to be in high high…

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be in demand. Um, I think that that is a a great place to be to focus and I think a lot of people are making a lot of money in that in that uh in those worlds actually and will be making more and more and more in those worlds. In fact, you see it like…

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software. It's also very hard to find really good crafts people, really good builders who you can trust, who have great taste, who look after the details. It's hard. I I'm I've I've been involved in a few different house renovations and it's when you find a great contractor, you feel…

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that you buy is IKEA and and manufactured. Maybe that's a good thing because it drives down cost, but it also I think it's a I mean it's it's it's necessary. Like there's a lot of people in the world. Not everyone can pay for handmade stuff. Um I think, you…

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to detail that went into it and you thought about the person who made the things and like that's great, too. Um, but I don't I don't think you're going to see like a massive res there's going to be there's a resurgence like an a crafts resurgence to some degree…

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more what you're there's probably gonna actually be more appreciation for well-made handmade things. I don't know if there's going to be more people really making them really. Yeah. But there'll be more appreciation for them. I think that's going to be true. Yeah. Someone on the on the LinkedIn…

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setting aside time to produce something. It's just if it strikes I'll do it and if it doesn't it I won't. It's a very spontaneous sort of thing, which is how I do most things, frankly, is like a serendipitous sort of spontaneous kind of approach to things. Um, I feel like…

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I might say hey I am using this thing it doesn't feel quite right. You got a few minutes to look at some stuff. So there's a lot of sort of bouncing around and then there's some creative thinking and you know like sketching for ideas that we're working on like how can…

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nobody here receives a list of things they need to do. What they are is on a project and they figure out with their teammate, typically it's one other person, what they're going to be working on together and they figure that stuff out themselves. So nothing is prescribed in that way. So my day…

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way. I mean, back when I did client work, I would have like deadlines I need to to, you know, and we have them today still, but it wasn't like I would set out that these are the 12 things I need to do in a given day or they need to be done in this…

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a list. I I just don't I've never been that way. So anyway, that's just how I've always done it. And uh I found that that's enough. I think that there's this sense that things need to be more structured than they are and that if you're not structured then…

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me, um a day is good when there's creativity involved essentially when I get to create something, make something, come up with a better way of doing something, tighten something up, slim something down. Um that kind of stuff. Uh what I don't like is paperwork or or stuff that doesn't feel like I…

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to be a great day. I don't subscribe to that either. some days just like are there like, "Oh, this is just one of those days." Fine. I just don't want to have one of those days so many days in a row. How do you prioritize? Like we're we're building an internal…

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tell In every situation, here's what you do. At the end of the day, what I'm going to tell you is very unsatisfying, but it's it's just a feeling. You have to cultivate this feeling for when something is done. You have to first of all, you have to be using the thing…

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this product can be used in a different way than most bug tracking tools. It's basically a instead of like, you know, it for most issues, you describe the issue, right? you'd write down the issue and every issue and pretty much every bug tracker is text. But if you are um trying to report…