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`5:47:58`

to become such an integral part of commerce too. I mean, back when open source was initially finding its feet, it was at war with commercial software. Stallman is at war with commercial software and always has been. Bill Gates was in return at war with open source for the longest time. The open source licensees and…

`5:49:00`

I think there's one analysis that's all about kind of the practical outcomes of this, which I think are bad. There's also some an argument that's simply about ethics. This is not right. You can't just show up afterwards and demand something. This is not too dissimilar in my opinion, to the…

`5:50:01`

and then taking advantage of him in that way in his mind, just like interpersonal interaction. And then you get like interpersonally frustrated, that forget like the bigger picture ethics of it. It's like when a guy keeps saying, you know, promising you'll do something. And then you realize you wake up one day like…

`5:51:01`

But I also think there's some principles at stake here that ring much louder. I don't want Rails to suddenly be tainted by the fact that it's open source and whether companies can rely on it and build businesses on it. Because wait, maybe one day I'm gonna turn Matt and I'm…

`5:52:02`

but that's his prerogative. I continue to speak out when he's violating the spirit and ethics of open source, but I wish he would just accept that this was a really bad idea. He made a bad bet and I thought, I think he thought he'd just get away with it. That they'd…

`5:53:03`

— As the king of the Rails kingdom, has the power gotten to your head over the years? — I'm sure it has. I mean, who wouldn't? — Do you pace around in your chamber angry? — I do occasionally. And I do marvel at both what's been built, what's been possible. Over a million applications have…

`5:54:06`

I love to use Ruby to make web applications. That's my north star. And I'll continue to do that and I'll continue to share all of the open source gifts that I uncover along the ways, and that's it. That's enough too. I don't have to get all of it out…

`5:55:07`

and you really don't have a pot to pissed in, you might be tempted to get a little upset about that. I've seen that in the Rails world as well, where there are people who contributed substantial bodies of work and then got really miffed when they didn't feel like they got enough back…

`5:56:07`

It turned out he probably destroyed vast sums of money by undermining the whole WordPress trust and the ecosystem and putting question marks in the heads of folks who would choose to use WordPress or something else going forward. So I often think when people think like, you left money on the table. First of all, so…

`5:57:07`

what flow means is programming. And then tranquility is like, I think you also have a beautiful post of like Nirvana is an empty schedule. — When I look at a upcoming week and I see that I have no scheduled meetings at all, which is quite common, or maybe I just have one thing for one hour…

`5:58:09`

who would made certain amounts of money, how much money would it take for you to feel secure? They'd ask people who had a million dollars network? How much money do you need? Probably need 2 million. 2 million then I'd be good. Then they'd ask people with a net worth of 5 million…

`5:59:10`

a huge swath of the human experience at all. The world is full of miserable, anxious, hurt, rich people. It's also full of miserable, anxious, poor people and I'd rather be a miserable, anxious, rich person than a poor person. But it isn't this magic wand that make everything go away. And that's…

`6:00:11`

If you are blessed with a partner that you love, some children that you adore, you've already won the greatest prize that most humans are able to achieve. Most humans in this world, if they are of marital age and they have children, if you ask them what's the most important thing, they would all…

`6:01:12`

and a pursuit that you enjoy, being able to carry burdens with a stiff up of a lip and with, again, a sense of meaning is incredible. To have family, to have friends, to have hobbies, to have all these things that are actually available to most people around the world, that's winning. And it doesn…

`6:02:12`

So if I get to choose, why not just choose to believe it's gonna pan out? Like we suffer more in our imagination than we do in reality. That's one of the quotes out of stoicism. And I also think we have a tendency, a lot of humans have a tendency to be pessimistic in…

`6:03:14`

in 200 years is not next year. It's not 10 years from now. Life might become more unpleasant and there might be more negative effects, and so on. Yes, okay, but then deal with that hardship when it arrives. Don't take that in advance. How are you helping earth by just walking around being depressed…

`6:04:15`

and then the aliens will come and there'll be a massive war between the nanobots and the aliens, and that will bring all of us humans together. — The funny thing, just to pick up one of the points you mentioned, the atom bomb, for example. When that was first invented, a lot of people thought we…

`6:05:15`

where there was so much certainty about whether this intervention worked or that intervention didn't work. And most people were wrong. Certainly a lot of very smart people, very qualified people got that just utterly and catastrophe finely wrong. So just a little intellectual humility, I think back upon that and go like, you know what…

`6:06:16`

So these experts, some of the chimps are got a PhD, others don't. Others are really muscular. Others are like beta male kind. They're sucking up to the alpha. There's a lot of interesting dynamics going on that really maps cleanly to the geopolitics of the day. They don't have nuclear weapons, but…

`6:07:18`

I think, Young, with this whole theory of the shadow is really spot on. That we all have that capacity in us and accepting that it's our job to attempt to cultivate the better parts of our human nature is weighed against our propensity to sometime be the worst of ourselves. — I'm excited to find…