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and then the aliens will come and there'll be a massive war between the nanobots and the aliens, and that will bring all of us humans together. — The funny thing, just to pick up one of the points you mentioned, the atom bomb, for example. When that was first invented, a lot of people thought we have essentially ended life on earth, right? Or maybe we prevented World War III from happening in the past 80 years because assured mutual annihilation kept the superpowers from attacking each other at least head on and kept their fighting to proxy wars. You know what? Proxy wars are not great, but they're probably better than World War III with nuclear weapons. So it's quite difficult in the moment to tell what's actually benefit and what's not. And I think we should be a bit more humble. I've certainly become more humble over time of thinking I know which way it's gonna turn. I think the pandemic was a huge moment for a lot of people

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where there was so much certainty about whether this intervention worked or that intervention didn't work. And most people were wrong. Certainly a lot of very smart people, very qualified people got that just utterly and catastrophe finely wrong. So just a little intellectual humility, I think back upon that and go like, you know what? I'm not a PhD in virology and I don't claim that like I somehow saw how it always gonna play out. But the people who were really experts in it, they got a bunch of it wrong. Nobody knows anything. I keep reminding myself of that every day. No one knows anything. We can't predict the economy a month out. We can't predict world affairs a month. The world is just too complicated. — Yeah, when I watched the Netflix documentary "Chimp Empire" and you know, there's a hierarchy of chimps, all of that looks eerily similar to us humans. We're recent descendants.

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So these experts, some of the chimps are got a PhD, others don't. Others are really muscular. Others are like beta male kind. They're sucking up to the alpha. There's a lot of interesting dynamics going on that really maps cleanly to the geopolitics of the day. They don't have nuclear weapons, but the nature of their behavior is similar to ours. So I think we barely know what's going on, but I do think there's like a basic will to cooperate. A basic compassion that underlies just the human spirit that's there. And maybe that is just me being optimistic. But if that is indeed there, then we're gonna be okay. — The capacity is certainly there. Whether we choose that capacity or not, who knows and in what situation? I think accepting that we all have the capacity for both ways, for both incredible generosity and kindness and also cruelty.

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I think, Young, with this whole theory of the shadow is really spot on. That we all have that capacity in us and accepting that it's our job to attempt to cultivate the better parts of our human nature is weighed against our propensity to sometime be the worst of ourselves. — I'm excited to find out what's gonna happen. It's so awesome to be human. I don't wanna die. I kind of wanna be alive for a while to see all the cool shit we do. And one of the cool things I wanna see is all the software you create and all the things you tweet. All the trouble you get yourself into on Twitter. David, yeah, I'm a huge fan like I said. Thank you for everything you've done for the world, for the millions of developers you've inspired, and one of whom is me. And thank you for this awesome conversation brother. — Thanks so much for having me. — Thanks for listening to this conversation with DHH. To support this podcast, please check out our sponsors in the description

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and consider subscribing to this channel. And now let me leave you with some words from "Rework" by DHH and Jason Fried. What you do is what matters, not will you think or say, or plan. Thank you for listening and I hope to see you next time.