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`4:26:11`

at least at their early age and taking on a lot of those responsibilities. Now it doesn't mean there isn't plenty of ways that I have to be part of that and have to chip in, but it's allowed me to continue to work the 40 hours a week that I've always worked…

`4:27:12`

depending of whatever is going on. Sometimes there's emergencies and you have to tend to them, but it's made it more structured. And I found some benefit in that and I've found some productivity in that, that I can't goof around quite as much that the day will end at around 5:36…

`4:28:13`

when even three hours, four hours of concentrated uninterrupted time every day would move to goals they truly care about way down the field. — I think kids do make you more productive in that way for people who need it, especially people like me. They create their urgency. Lik if you have to be done by 5…

`4:29:15`

where I feel content and full meaning if I actually do stuff that matters, if I can look back upon the week and go like that was a nice week, really. We moved forward. Maybe we didn't get done, but we moved forward and everything got better. And I think kids really helped just time box…

`4:30:15`

So don't give me that. There's time enough. And also what's so important that it ranks above continuing your lineage. I think there's just some ancient honor in the fact that, again, this DNA that's sitting on this chair traveled 30,000 years to get here and you're gonna squander all…

`4:31:16`

something with them that I also happen to enjoy. I really love "Fortnite." It's a phenomenal game. I don't have to force myself to play that with them. I often ask like, hey, do you wanna play "Fortnite?" But still, it's an activity that I get to share with them. It's a passion…

`4:32:17`

— The funny thing about getting into racing is I did not get my driver's license until I was 25. I grew up in Copenhagen, Denmark, where the tax on cars is basically over 200%. So you pay for three cars and you get one. And I didn't even have the money for one car, let…

`4:33:21`

"Metropolitan Street Racer" on the Dreamcast was one of those games that really sucked me into. It was the precursor to Project Gotham, which was the precursor to essentially, Forza Horizon, I think. — Oh, okay, interesting. — I think that's how the lineage goes. Just a great game. I actually just fired it up on an emulator…

`4:34:24`

where I did maybe 20 laps in this basically a Mazda race car from, I think, it was like the '90s or something, like a pretty cheap race car, but a real race car. Single seat, manual gearbox, but exposed slick wheels, all the stuff. And after having had that experience, first of all it was just…

`4:35:26`

because you're literally looking straight at the wheel, you can feel all the bumps because you're running a slick tire. It's a really stiff setup. It's nothing like taking a fast street car out on a racetrack and try to driving a little bit around. — So can you feel like the slipping, the…

`4:36:27`

That balance of danger and skill is what's so intoxicating. And it's so much better than racing video games too, because the criticality is taking up two notches. I often think about people who really like gambling, where I think like, aren't you just playing poker? Like no, the point is not poker. Pokers…

`4:37:28`

when those maniacs in the '60s would do Formula 1 and whatever, 13% of the grid wouldn't make it to the end of the year because they'd just die in a fiery flaming fireball. But there's still some of it there. And I think that since that there's something on the line really…

`4:38:28`

Because you need, or I need at least 100% of my brain processing power to be able to go at the speed I go without crashing. So there's no time to think about the other night or the meeting next week or product launch. It's completely zen in actually the literal sense of the word…

`4:39:31`

before I decided, you know what? I can take this all the way. My great hero in racing is Tom Kristensen, fellow Dane. The Mr. Le Mans, as they call him. The greatest endurance race in the world. The 24 hours of Le Mans has been won more times than any other by Tom Kristensen. He won…

`4:40:32`

But racing thing is special in this way because it requires a fair amount of money to keep these cars running. It's really expensive. It's like having a small startup. You need to fly a bunch of people around the world and buy expensive equipment and so forth. So you need a bunch of capital…

`4:41:33`

by the time the race starts. And then there's 24 hours to go before you're done. And you'll be in the car for anywhere from usually an hour and a half to a maximum of four hours. The regulations say four out of six is the max you can do. I've spent perhaps…

`4:42:34`

— And this was probably my favorite battle of my career. — [Commentator] And Heinemeier Hansson has beat past to add five... — Yeah, so this is me driving against Nico Muller at the Shanghai International Circuit. — You're on the outside here? — I'm on the outside in the... — How cool is it? — Blue and white. And we go…

`4:43:36`

which is called the gentleman driver, which means I'm not a professional driver. And like many good gentlemen drivers, when we're at our really best, we can be quite competitive with even professional drivers who have been doing this their whole life. The difference between us and the professionals is the professionals could do it…

`4:44:36`

Like how do you get... — It feels like total shit if you're in a real race and other people depend on you. It's not even so much to car, although it's also sometimes that these cars are expensive to repair and that sucks and it feels so wasteful in a way when you crash…

`4:45:37`

that this isn't just virtual. I can't just hit reset, restart, reboot. If I crash this car, we're gonna be out or we're gonna be disadvantaged or it's gonna get destroyed or I might get hurt. I've gotten lightly hurt a few times. I actually had the year we won 24…