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`5:27:37`

But there's a more... I don't know, I just don't wanna romanticize it, but it's more poetic, it's more literary. It's more feels like writing a good blog post than... — I actually wish that AI had a bit higher standards for writing. I find the fact that it accepts my sloppy…

`5:28:37`

You also have to solve a problem. You're not just communicating a solution. You have to actually figure out what are you trying to say, but even writing has that. Half the time when I start writing a blog post, I don't know exactly what arguments I'm gonna use. They develop as part of…

`5:29:38`

And that you should not discard those feelings in preference to over comp... or not even complicated, to analytics, to intellectualism. Very often when we look at the big decisions we've had to make, they've come from the gut where you cannot fully articulate like, why do I think this is the right thing? Well…

`5:30:39`

And that's hell of enjoyable way to work. And it's also in very often the correct way to work. Your gut knows a lot, like you can't articulate it, but it's spot on more times than not. — Yeah, having to make a plan can be a paralyzing thing. I've often, I mean…

`5:31:41`

you kind of have to just take the leap and then just figure out as you go. — My favorite essay in "Rework" is the last one, and it's entitled, Inspiration is Perishable. And I think that captures a lot of it, that if you take the time to do a detailed plan, you may very well…

`5:32:42`

If you just put it back on the shelf and say like, well, I gotta be diligent about this. I gotta line up a plan. You may run out and then there's no steam to keep going. — I have to ask about open source. What does it take to run a successful open source project? You…

`5:33:44`

is to treat it as a business, as though your users are customers, as though they have claims of legitimacy on your time and your attention and your direction. Because I faced this almost immediately with Ruby on Rails. As soon as it was released, there were a million peoples who had all sorts of opinions about…

`5:34:45`

You can contribute back if you want, but you can't tell me what to do or where to go or how to act. I'm not a vendor. This is a fundamental misconception that users of open source occasionally step into, because they're used to buying software from companies who really care about their business…

`5:35:46`

And I actually find that to be a beautiful thought that our comments increase in value when we all pursue our self-interest. Certainly in the realm of open source. This is also why I reject this notion that open source is in some sort of crisis. That there's a funding crisis that we have to…

`5:36:46`

And if you have some code that fits in with where I'm going with this, I would love to get those gifts back. And we can keep trading like that. I give you more gifts. You give me some of your gifts. Together, we pool all the gifts such that someone showing up brand new, just…

`5:37:46`

that you're building for you and everything else is a bonus, I think you have all the ingredients to go to distance. I think the people who burn out in open source is when they go in thinking, "I'm making all these gifts. I don't really need them myself, but I'm like hoping…

`5:38:47`

— And then they might walk away. I wish I had more insight into their mind state of the individual people that are running these projects, like if they're feeling sad or they need more money or they're like, it's just such a dark box. — It can be. — I mean of course there's some…

`5:39:47`

to taking care of this thing you've created. There is and not forgetting. I think, what I think what the open source creator is not seeing enough and I mean there's like, how many lives you're making better. There's certain pieces of software that I just quietly use a lot. And like they…

`5:40:49`

have been built off the back of it. And the expectations are very clear. I pay you this amount and I get this software. Open source, once you start mixing money into it, gets real muddy real fast. And a lot of it's just from those misaligned expectations. That if you feel like you're starving…

`5:41:49`

It is a good moment to bring up what I think is the, maybe one of the greatest open source projects ever, WordPress. And you spoke up in October 24 about some of the stuff that's been going on with WordPress's founder Matt Mullenweg in a blog post open source royalty and mad kings. It…

`5:42:52`

And I also think, now you might disagree with this, but from everything I've seen, WP Engine just gives me bad vibes. I think they're not the good guy in this. I don't like it. I understand the frustration. I understand all of it, but I don't think that excuses the behavior. There…

`5:43:52`

— First echo what you said about what a wonderful thing it is that WordPress exists. That there are not many projects in the open source world or in the world at large that has had as big of an impact on the internet as WordPress has. He deserves a ton of accolades for that work. So that…

`5:44:55`

And the principles are if you release something as open source, people are free to use it as they see fit. And they're free to donate code or resources or money back to the community as they see fit. You may disagree about whether they've done enough, whether they should do more, but you can…

`5:45:57`

I'm 100% allergic to that kind of interaction. And I think Matt, unfortunately, for whatever reason, got so wrapped up in what he was owed that he failed to realize what he was destroying. WordPress and Automatic already makes a ton of money. This is part of the wonder of WordPress. This is a project that…

`5:46:58`

I've never liked the GPL. I don't want your shitty code if you don't wanna give it to me. What am I gonna do with that? Some code dump that youve... I'm not on board with that part of Stallman's vision at all. I love the MIT license. To me that is…