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`0:39:39`

Let me put it. Omarchy is a beautiful, modern, and opinionated Linux system. It's an alternative operating system to macOS and Windows, and it's freaking amazing.

`0:39:54`

That's right. That's the latest version that we just dropped out, which is also funny. The Omarchy project is only a year old and a little bit. I started it last summer in between sessions at the 24 Hours of Le Mans-... where I had watched one too many YouTube videos on Linux Rising and got bitten by…

Who would not get delirious if suddenly a genie pops out of the bottle and says, "You can have whatever you want. Every feature you've ever dreamed of in an operating system-... I can deliver them to you, most of them in five minutes, a few in 20, and if we really go hog wild, it's gonna take…

I don't have that sense. I don't have the sense of overwhelm. I don't have the sense of dread. I don't have the sense of distortion because I have a mission. I'm going somewhere, and therefore, I can channel all this new power towards-

`0:42:48`

... a singular goal and outcome, creating the perfect computer. And therefore, all my investigations with AI are focused towards that end. Now, I also have a day job. And we also use agents there, and that's also targeted towards sort of specific outcomes. But with the Omarchy experience, I got to tap in straight in the…

So there was about six months there where pioneers saw these glimmers of what the future was gonna look like. It wasn't there yet because the intelligence wasn't there. The harnesses weren't there, but they could see the glimmers. I couldn't. Tobi, Tobi Lütke, the CEO of Shopify and now my partner in crime on this…

`0:45:08`

Yes. I was still on Earth. And he was... He had already boarded the rocket and was heading towards space. I remember actually reading his memo to the company, the AI memo, and thinking, "Ah, seems a little much." Like, you're making a big deal out of something that I cannot yet feel is a tangible…

I'm talking as me, someone who's been programming for 25 years, seeing the output and the acceleration and the quality and then shipping it, and I think that's what's gonna change the entire conversation quite quickly. The few laggards who are still on the fence about whether this is actually useful, who are still trapped in…

`0:47:26`

It's gonna come, and I've already seen the early inklings of this. One of the really neat features about Omarchy is that it has a far more robust plugin system that allows you to extend your operating system and rewrite it really in terms of its user interface and its panel and its features by…

`0:49:09`

It does, because vibe coding to me smells exactly like script kiddies did in the early 2000s. People applying PHP scripts they just downloaded offline they don't understand anything of. And while, I mean, that's true in the sense that much of the vibe coding, including my own vibe coded projects, and as I just…

`0:49:43`

It is, in my opinion, the ugliest programming language-... that has been invented-... in probably the last 40 years.

`0:49:53`

... I've written applications in Rust because the output of Rust is actually amazing. The memory safety, the fact that it's a system language, the fact that it's highly efficient and so forth…

`0:50:36`

I don't think we should reuse the term because for me, programming implies an understanding of certain primitives, loops, conditions, variables. All the constructs of programming languages are what constitutes programming itself, not the creation of programs. Because you could say in the pre- agentic era, well, your CEO is programming. He's hiring a bunch…

`0:52:02`

I'm just gonna extend the pro case here a little bit just for the sake of the argument.

`0:52:07`

I actually think for a while it was to my deficit to know as much as I know about programming because I was instructing the agents to do things as I prescribed them to do…

`0:53:16`

100%. And the reason I say that, let's define it here. The reason I say that is there's a lot of programmers who are not very good product managers. Software is product management. What should it do? Who should it do it for? How should it do it? How should it look? What are our…

`0:55:28`

I would've said the same thing six months ago.

`0:55:30`

And I think the same thing would've been true six months ago. What I have found since, especially even just the last few weeks of the agentically accelerated development of Mach-E, is that more often than not, I have the humility to…

`0:55:52`

Correct. And it would know more about what that entails. Now, you're laughing-

`0:56:02`

... a good parallel to this is the AGENTS MD/CLAUDE MD files. There was a hot moment where it was all the rage about micro- optimizing that. Oh, you tell your agent this-... you tell your agent that, and you…

`0:57:25`

It's even better because you don't even need that. The fundamental insight of modern software development came from the agile software development movement. In the late '90s, early 2000s, a group of smart, honest, and brave people came together and said, "The way we've been trying to do software development for the last 40…

`0:59:18`

Correct. And this is what humans are really good at.

`0:59:21`

Differential evaluation. You give me three options, I pick one of them. Now, humans actually fall off a cliff if you give them 22 options. That's the paradox of choice. But you give them three options, they very quickly within a split second…

`1:00:35`

And at different levels of abstraction. When I'm working in Ruby code, and we have a lot of Ruby code because it's in our entire business, and I'm asking agents to make changes to that code, I still sweat the details. What I'm coming to realize is that the economic payoff of that sweat is diminishing…