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`2:41:57`

Yes. That's actually the deal. The deal with Grok is that their fast mode is cheaper than the regular mode on the others. And when you've used Grok 46 on fast, it's kind of addictive 'cause it almost gets you to this single thread mode-... where the agent is able to keep up with…

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`2:42:34`

By the way, one of the reasons why I'm not sure what the final form of these harnesses is gonna take, because one of the things we've started experimenting with at Base Camp is that we put the agents inside of Base Camp, and we treat them as coworkers.

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`2:42:47`

... inside of Base Camp, so they will do work on a to-do in Base Camp, or they'll work, do work on a card. And it turns out that a collaboration tool that's optimized for asynchronous communication is actually the right format versus these harnesses are a little more like chat. And chat, which was…

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`2:44:10`

Yes, but in an exhilarating way. Like, one of the things I always loved about race cars was when I would stumble out of the car absolutely smashed and barely able to hold my head up, and I'd lay down on the garage floor and just think, "Holy fuck, I'm alive." That's the kind…

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`2:44:34`

It's physical. It's just... I mean, I bet it's the same thing with jujitsu, right? Like, it's actually satisfying to feel exhausted. It feels like you've applied yourself. And I feel that with the mental exhaustion you can get from agents.

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`2:44:49`

Yes. If you drive in difficult conditions, especially if you drive in the rain, where you're constantly managing the thing right at the knife's edge. But most of the time, I just enjoyed the physical exhaustion.

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`2:45:25`

It's funny. It's actually very similar with racing. There's some tracks, like Le Mans, where you get time to relax. There's the Mulsanne straights where it's kinda long. You're going fast, but in a straight line, you can take a breath. And then there are other tracks where it's just…

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`2:46:01`

I think the moment we're in right now is gonna pass. That this need to... It's not a babysitting motion, but constant interaction with the agents is gonna fade. From what I've seen on Omarchy, I think we can automate a ton of the development and debugging of the system-... to the point where…

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`2:47:14`

It's the birth of a new paradigm. It's always messy.

`2:47:17`

It's always exhausting. There's no other way around that. And by the way, hasn't San Francisco always been like this? I remember the dotcom boom years, and everyone was just the same, and then it was all mobile, and…

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`2:47:34`

... who would, who would think, "I don't have time to sleep." I've not been on that track, generally speaking, but I will admit that the last three months have felt more exhausting than any other project I've done in the last five years, since the Hey launch. That was the last time we had…

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`2:47:57`

No, no, no, no, no. This is not sustainable at all.

`2:48:00`

But I also, I can see the end of the tunnel. Because the automation, which by the way, everyone is building. This is so hilarious. Like, everyone is building their little gas town, their little agent coordination, their setup. This is all gonna…

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`2:49:04`

What a-... thriller that this has been. I mean, if you would've scripted this, I'd be like, "This is so far-fetched. Get out of here. Unbelievable," right? I wouldn't wanna know anything. The fact that this rollercoaster and this acceleration has been absorbed in real time by everyone, no one knew, right? Like…

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`2:49:52`

That all our dreams are coming true. Like, this is the AI maximalist abundance argument. That once Elon's robots have the level of intelligence and AGI that I'm experiencing on some of this development stuff, the world is gonna be so unrecognizably different that we can't even imagine it. Now, I don't spend…

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`2:50:30`

Just have fun. I mean, I get it why people are finding this exhausting. Just keeping up. Not even using agents, just, like, being like, "What's the latest model? What did, what tool are we using now? Is it TMox? Is it a Herder? Is it none of it? Is it agents?" Whatever. I get it…

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`2:51:10`

If they downshift on a straight like they do in the movies, I'll call it out. That is the worst. Let me see.

`2:51:44`

I mean, it's crazy. You really have to notice in the... Like, that car didn't have headlights on and the other one did. And that looked like a…

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`2:53:27`

It's a good question because I think good art is very dependent on the same thing that good software is depending on: having a vision, having a cohesive idea of what you wanna create. How is it different? How is it novel? How is it going to appeal to people? But I'm not sure that…

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So we've had this democratization process happen with plenty of other domains, but film seems to be one of the last ones.

`2:55:11`

Oh, I'm super excited 'cause I think it's-

`2:55:13`

There's so much garbage being produced right now. It's the same argument with the slob, right? So people for…

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`2:56:06`

Like the malleable operating system, having the malleable narrative, having malleable entertainment, that man, Game of Thrones, what if we could just forget the last four episodes of slob that was produced-... and then AI-... comes up with-... I don't know-... maybe 100 different variations, and someone else watches that, and I get the version that…

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`2:56:40`

Oh, for sure. Right? And more just to make the argument that talk about human slob. That was an absolute atrocious ending to perhaps one of the greatest pieces of, Movie history, I was about to say, but, um, series history, right? It was so good, and it was actually a compelling argument for the fact that…

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`2:57:14`

No, not in the general definition that it's in all the things. But have I seen AGI in these glimmers? Absolutely. Especially over the last three months, I've seen things where I was thinking to myself, like, "How would AGI look different from this?"

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