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Dynamic typing

`1:09:42`

where Ruby is beautiful. Because as soon as it gets easy to type a lot of boilerplate, well guess what? You can have a lot of boilerplate. Every single language basically that has great tooling support has a much higher tolerance for boilerplate because the thinking is, well, you're not typing it anyway, you're just auto completing it. I don't want that at all. I want something where the fabric I'm working in, it's just a text file. There's nothing else to it. So these things play together. There's the aesthetic part, there's the tooling part, there's the metaprogramming part. There's the fact that Ruby's ethos of duck typing, I dunno if you've heard that term before. It's essentially not about, can I call this method, if a object is of a certain class. It is, can I call this method if the method responds? It's very out of Smalltalk in that regard. You don't actually check of whether that class has the method, which allows you to dynamically add methods at runtime

`1:10:45`

and do all sorts of really interesting things that underpin all the beautiful metaprogramming that we do in Ruby. I don't wanna lose any of that. And I don't care for the benefits. One of the benefits I see touted over and over again is that it's much easier to write correct software. You can have fewer bugs. You're gonna have less null pointer exceptions. You're gonna have less all of this stuff. Yeah, I don't have any of that. It's just not something that occurs in my standard mode of operation. I'm not saying I don't have bugs, of course I do, but I catch those bugs with unit testing, with integration testing. Those are the kinds of precautions that will catch logical bugs. Things that compile but are wrong along with the uncompilable stuff. So I've never been drawn into this world, and part of it is because I work on a certain class of systems. I fully accept that. If you're writing systems that have five, 10, 50 million lines of code with hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands of programmers,

`1:11:47`

I fully accept that you need different methods. What I object to is the idea that what's right for a code base of 10 million lines of code with a hundred thousand programmers working on it is also the same thing I should be using in my bedroom to create Basecamp, because I'm just a single individual. That's complete nonsense. In the real world, we would know that that makes no sense at all. That you don't, I don't know, use your Pagani to go pick up groceries at Costco. It's a bad vehicle for that. It just doesn't have the space. You don't wanna muddy the beautiful seats. You don't wanna do any of those things. We know that certain things that are very good in certain domains don't apply to all. In programming languages, it seems like we forget that. Now, to be fair, I also had a little bit perhaps of a reputation of forgetting that. When I first learned Ruby, I was so head over heels in love with this programming language that I almost found it unconceivable that anyone would choose any other programming language at all to write web applications. And I kind of engaged the evangelism of Ruby on Rails

`1:12:48`

in that spirit as a crusade, as I just need to teach you the gospel. I just need to show you this conditional code that we just talked about and you will convert at the point of a sharp argument. Now, I learned that that's not the way. And part of the reason it's not the way is the programmers think differently. Our brains are configured differently. My brain is configured perfectly for Ruby. Perfectly for a dynamically duck typed language that I can chisel code out of a text editor with. And other people need the security of an IDE. They want the security of classes that won't compile unless you call the methods on it. I have come to accept that, but most programmers don't. They're still stuck in, essentially, I like static typing. Therefore, static typing is the only way to create reliable correct systems, which is just such a mind blowing, to be blunt,

`1:13:49`

idiotic thing to say in the face of evidence, mountains of evidence to the contrary. This is one of the reasons I'm so in love with Shopify as the flagship application for Ruby on Rails. Shopify exists at a scale that most programmers will never touch. On Black Friday, I think Shopify did 1 million requests per second. That's not 1 million requests of images. That's of dynamic requests that are funneling through the pipeline of commerce. I mean, Shopify runs something like 30% of all e-commerce stores on the damn internet. A huge portion of all commerce in total runs through Shopify and that runs on Ruby on Rails. So Ruby on Rails is able to scale up to that level without using static typing in all of what it does. Now I know they've done certain experiments in certain ways because they are hitting some of the limits that you will hit with dynamic typing.