Writing like a sprinter

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suggestions but they're not really there's no calls to action. It's not like do these seven things and you will become whatever. It's like here's a point of view and we're just going to leave it out there and then you can think about it. I I like writing that way. How much of your rejection of precedent is something that you consciously cultivate and think about or how much of that is just temperamental in your personality? Well I think it starts with the personality then what ends up happening is you start to you start to like double down on your own stuff. Like for us to write a long book right now, like not an essay based book but like a literally like a you know 30 page chapters or something would be it'd be hard for us to do that. I don't think we're very good at it but also I don't think we would feel like it would

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be us. Right. So uh it starts with with with what's natural. And then I just want to stay within the natural realm. I really think that the the thing I'm trying to get across here is that it's okay to know your limits and work within them and not feel like to become a writer you must write like someone else or you must emulate this style or if you're writing short essays you're not really a writer. Like a real writer would write a long essay or short means you don't have anything to say or what no it's like this is how you communicate, get really good at that and be yourself. Just be yourself with your writing. The thing I've always hated about writing um there go the eyebrows go up. Interesting. Um tell me tell me tell me more. was was was before. Was was when I had to write things I didn't care about

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in school. Um I had to write it was all about length. It was like long basically and subjects I didn't care about. And uh it was miserable. It was it wasn't even writing. It was like um it actually I would just call it pointless. Mm. That's what it was. It was pointless. It's like you write about this topic and make it 10 pages or whatever and then it's like that I mean you kind of have to do that growing up to some degree but then you can not do that anymore and find your own way. That's what's important I think. Yeah, the thing that I just did not realize existed was the feeling of getting excited about an idea and skipping to the keyboard for the same reason that you're talking

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about earlier is I can't wait to see the end product which is the synthesis and clarity Yes. of the idea in my head now on the page. Yeah, it's exciting. And sometimes it's frustrating I mean often times it's frustrating not even sometimes often times it's frustrating to like to to to have this idea and not be able to communicate it. And this is why I'm going to come back to something I said I don't find that trying to struggle through it is the way through. I really think you just got to stop and throw it away and start over. And the other thing I will often do is I'll just I'll talk. I'll just like I try to write the way I speak versus having a a writing style that is separate from that. And that makes it easier cuz then I can just go for a walk often go for a walk. I don't like actually like to sit still and think. I like to move and think. So I'll go for a

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walk and and and and just sort of like talk it out and go oh, that's the line. Like there's there's usually like a line that gets me or there's a combination of words or a title for the essay. So I need some hook that I have to find that brings me back to the confidence that I need to pull it off and I'll try again. Confidence that I need to pull it off. That's not what I was expecting you to say. Tell me more about that. What were you expecting me to say? A sense of direction. Okay. I I kind of see them almost as the same thing perhaps. I guess I guess that confidence almost implies a lack of confidence in in in what you were doing. So I don't think you meant it like that. I the the confidence for me in that moment is usually it's not the initial