Why meetings are toxic

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until next month. — And there is a temptation for the managers and for the people in the executive layer to do something, which that's something usually means a meeting, right? And so that's why you say... — Their job is telling other people what to do. — Yeah, and the meeting, so this is one of the big things you're against is meeting... — Meetings are toxic. And this really I think ties into this with Jason and I. If I had to count out the total number of meetings we've had in 24 years of collaborations where we in person sat in front of each other and discussed a topic, I probably it'd be less than whatever, three months at a fan company. We just haven't done that that much. We haven't worn it out. One of this funny metaphors that Trump came up with at one point was a human has like a limited number of steps in their life, right? Like that's the longevity argument here. You could do so much activity and then you run out. There's some kernel in that idea that can be applied to relationship. There's some amount of exchange we can have.

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There's some amount of time we can spend together where you can wear it out. Jason and I were diligent about not wearing each other out. And I think that is absolutely key to the longevity of the relationship combined with that level of trust. And then just combining with the level that we really like the work itself. We don't just like the brainstorming. The say where we just come up with good ideas. No, we like to do the ideas and we like to be part of that process directly ourselves. I like to program, he likes to do design. We could go off and do our little things for long stretches of time. In case you, come together and go like, hey, let's launch a great product. — This might sound like I'm asking you to do therapy, but I find myself to sometimes want or long for a meeting because I'm lonely. Like 'cause it remote work is just sitting by yourself. I don't know, it can get really lonely for long stretches of time. — Let me give you a tip, get a wife.

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— Yes, oh, goddammit. — Get a couple kids. — [Lex] All right. — Like family really is the great antidote to loneliness. And I mean that as sincerely as I can possibly say it. I certainly had exactly that feeling you described early in my career when I was working remotely and I was just a, like me living in an apartment. A total stereotype where for the longest time when I first moved to Chicago, all I had on the floor was a mattress and then I bought this big TV and I didn't even mount it. And then I had a stack of DVDs. And I was basically, I was working a lot of time and then I would just go home and do that. And it wasn't great. It really wasn't. Like I do think that humans need humans. And if you can't get them at work and I actually sort of kind of don't want them at work, at least I don't want 'em for 40 hours a week. That's not what I prefer. You need something else. You need other relationships in your life, and there's no greater depth of relationship if you can find someone that you actually just wanna spend a lot of time with. That's key to it.