Tim Sweeney

`4:01:31`

that I created in the most unreasonable way possible? Couldn't we have found a better way to do this? I think they're going to get forced to do a better way. But did you also have to go through the indignity of having a criminal contempt charge against you getting referred to prosecution? It just seems so beneath Apple, but it also seems so in line with what happens to huge companies who are run by, quote, unquote, "professional managers" rather than founders and unreasonable people. — Well, we should probably also say that the thing you love about Apple, the great spirit of Apple I think still persists and there's a case to be made that this 30% thing is a slice, a particular slice of a company, not a defining aspect of the company. And that it Apple is still on top in the hardware that it makes and a lot of things that it makes. And you know this is, that could be just a hiccup in a long story of a great company that does a lot of awesome stuff for humanity.

`4:02:33`

So like Apple is a truly special company. We mentioned Amazon, there is no company like Apple. — I agree, this is why the disappointment is all greater. Because we had such high aspirations and expectations to Apple that they were the shining city on the hill and they were guiding the industry in a million positive ways. I think as we talked about earlier, hardware is exciting again in large part because Apple bought PA Semi and pursued a against all odds mission to get ARM up to the level it is today. And we have these incredible M chips now because of it. And the design sensibilities that Apple bring to the table are unparalleled. No one has taste certainly at the hardware level like Apple does, even at the software level. I'd say there's a lot of taste left in Apple, but there's also some real sour taste now.

`4:03:34`

So they have to wash that off first I think before they find their wear back. But Apple's been in a mirage before, I mean Wozniak and Steve Jobs started this thing in the garage, has great success with the Apple II. He hands the company over to a sugar drink salesman who tanks the company into the '90s. He doesn't learn the lesson, spends the next 20 years building up this amazing company, then hands the company over again to a logistics person who presumably had more redeeming qualities than the first guy who put in charge, but still ends up leading the company astray. Now this is the norm. The norm is that great companies don't last forever. In the long arc of history, almost no company lasts forever. There are very few companies around that was here 100 years ago, even fewer 200 years ago. And virtually nothing that are 1000 years old outside of a handful of Japanese sorts makers

`4:04:35`

or something like that, right? So you can get diluted into thinking that something is forever when you're in the moment. And they seem so large. Apple could absolutely stumble and I think they have more reason to stumble now than ever. They're behind on AI, terribly behind. Their software quality is faltering in a bunch of ways. The competition is catching up on the hardware game in part because TSMC is not an Apple subsidiary, but a foundry that services a MD and NVIDIA and others who are now able to use the same kind of advanced processes. This is something I learned after not looking at PC hardware for the longest time, that holy smokes, AMD actually makes CPUs that are just as fast, if not faster than apples. They're not quite as efficient yet because ARM has some fundamental efficiencies over x86, but they're still pretty good. So Apple should have reason to worry. Apple's shareholders should have reason to be concerned. Not just about all these stumbles,

`4:05:36`

but also by the fact that Apple is run by old people. Apple's board has an average age of, I think, 75. Their entire executive team is above 60. Now that sounds horribly ageist. And in some ways, it a little bit is. In the same way, I'm ageist against myself. Like I'm 45 now and I sort of kind of have to force myself to really get into AI because it is such a paradigm shift and a lot of people when they reach a certain age are just happy to stay with what they know. They don't wanna go back to being a beginner. They don't wanna go back to having to relearn everything. And I think like, ah, this is a little hard for me at 45. How the hell do you do that at 75? — I have to come back to, you mentioned it earlier, you're a parent. Can you speak to the impact that becoming a father has had on your life? — I think what's funny about fatherhood is that for me, I wasn't even sure it's something I wanted.