Radical Authenticity Over Marketing Tricks

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— I want to talk on the phone — Yeah. — if I can't be with you in person. I don't want to text you. — Yeah. — I want to live in an analog world. I just feel better — Yeah. — being outside reading physical books not looking at a goddamn screen. — I'm with you, and what's important about that is not actually... This is going to sound... Whatever you said doesn't matter, actually. It's that you know who you are. That's what matters, that you know that you like that, that you've figured out that you like that. It's good to figure out what you like eventually. Like, a lot of people don't know what they like. They like what other people like. They like what they're supposed to like. They live up to other people's expectations. They kind of run someone else's business, in a sense. Not like an executive running their business, but people grow businesses that they think they have to grow because that's what you do.

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They make decisions they think other people would make. They don't even have a sense of who they are and what they're all about yet, and I hope all of them find it because it's a wonderful thing when you know what you're into, and also that you know maybe that might change, too, but you know right now you're into that. The other thing is, you don't need to pick sides. You can love digital, and you can love physical. They're all the same thing. We live on this speck of dust, you know, in space. It's all the same thing, right? So, it doesn't, really, any of it, matter. What you like and why you like it, just that you do, and that you know that you do. You don't even know why that you do, but that you do, and you respect and treat yourself to those things that you find beautiful. — All of the founders and extreme winners that I have

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At what age do you really think that you finally figured out who you are? — I think probably more recently, frankly, than then. I think I knew what I liked to do, but I'm not sure I still know fully who I am, but I... That's the big question, right? Like, who are we and the whole thing, right? I don't totally feel like I should... No one should be certain about that. But I feel like I've come more into my own actually since getting married and having kids. Looking back on maybe how I was, how I acted, how I was in the world, I'm glad I am who I am now than who... I wouldn't want to be that person again. — Why? Didn't you say you used to have, like, anger? — I think I was... Yeah, I was definitely more of a punk,