Future of programming

`4:17:49`

... without you having to do anything at all. And you can do a terminal. Like I installed Terminus and it can run Herder and so on, but it's a little cumbersome and you're doing live typing on a computer, so you feel the latency. When you're using the Claude app to your Claude Code instances, it feels just like chatting with it, without the cumbersomeness of having to set up a Telegram account and so forth. Now, if you wanna use an open Claude to like run your life, well, then this doesn't do that. But I haven't been so interested in that for some reason. Maybe one of the reasons is that Jamie, my wife, is like, "We're not getting a robot inside the house." So I'm like, "Ah, I better not hook it up to the Sort of smart house here." If it starts turning lights on and off like a poltergeist, I don't think I'm gonna be all that popular. So, and part of the reason I say this, I've heard some of the stories of people who have hooked it up to their whole life. And um, I mean, it's not my story to tell, so I'll just share sort of the brief anecdote. One guy was telling the story about how he hooked it up to both his health data-... and his Tesla car. And his agent got obsessed with the fact that he wasn't drinking enough water, and like, "Hey, you gotta drink more water." So at some point he's driving along, and suddenly the Tesla starts driving in a new direction. The agent had realized there was a grocery store on the way home-... that they could swing by-

`4:19:12`

And you're like, this is one of those things where it's like both funny and also totally Black Mirror, and also totally like, well, okay, there's not that many steps from here where the poltergeist is in your house. So I was just like, "Ah, I don't need that." I do actually now like the fact that I can control the agents through Claude Code, just through the app if I, even if I don't use them that much.

`4:19:51`

Yes. I think what's also different with those systems is they have this whole memory system, where they're building up knowledge of who you are and what you like. Um, Toby has told the stories about how his agent will shop for him, that it has an allowance, and it'll pick out clothes for him, and it'll just show up at the door because his agent's-... bought something for him. And like, it's one of those things where like, man, that feels future. Also a little scary. But I can live vicariously through others who are on that frontier.

`4:20:28`

So I mean, this is the delusions of grandeur that start kicking in once you get the seemingly unlimited powers-... I've witnessed with the creation of Quattro.

`4:20:41`

That's the obvious path, right? So Android is open source, and you can fork it, and people have. There's all sorts of GrapheneOS is one such version. There are limitations to that model, I know that. Tap-to-pay and other things around camera models and, and so forth, but that all seems surmountable. It all seems that I would love if my phone was as malleable as my computer, if it looked as cool as my computer now does. If I could get essentially Omarchy mobile, that sounds amazing.

`4:21:23`

Yeah, the developers of Ladybird is, is finding that out, like Andreas and-

`4:21:27`

... his team. Now, interesting with that project was the browser's basically the second most complicated software system in the world, the first one being the Linux kernel. Right? In terms of these large tens of millions of lines of code systems. So very audacious actually to begin such a mission with a small team like Andreas did before we had agents. But now that we do have agents, we're gonna see, and we're probably gonna see sooner rather than later. I mean, if one-- If there's one thing agents are already exceptionally good at, it is to read specs and implement them. And I mean, I don't know how long the specs are for CSS and HTML at this point, and JavaScript on top, but they're very long. And it would take humans many, many years to implement them. We're gonna find out just how quickly agents can do them.