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— No one anywhere who's serious believes that cookie banners does anything good for anyone, yet we've been unable to get rid of it. This is the thing that really gets me about cookie banners too. It's not just the EU. It's the entire world. You can't hide from cookie banners anywhere on this planet. If you go to goddam Mars on one of Elon's rockets and you try to access a webpage, you'll still see a cookie banner. No one in the universe is safe from this nonsense. It sometimes feels like we're barely better off. Like webpages aren't that different from what they were in the late '90s, early 2000s. They're still just forms. They still just right to databases. A lot of people, I think, are very uncomfortable with the fact that they are essentially CRUD monkeys. They just make systems that create read, update or delete row in a database, and they have to compensate for that existential dread by overcomplicating things. That's a huge part of the satisfaction of driving a race car is driving in at the edge of adhesion, as we call it.

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Where you're essentially just a tiny movement away from spinning out. Doesn't take much, then the car starts rotating. Once it starts rotating, you lose grip and you're going for the wall. That balance of danger and skill is what's so intoxicating. — The following is a conversation with David Heinemeier Hansson, also known as DHH. He is a legend in the programming and tech world, brilliant and insightful, sometimes controversial, and always fun to talk to. He's the creator of Ruby on Rails, which is an influential web development framework behind many websites used by millions of people, including Shopify, GitHub, and Airbnb. He is the co-owner and CTO of 37signals that created Basecamp, HEY and ONCE. He is a "New York Times" bestselling author, together with his co-author, Jason Fried of four books,